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Cristina Cordova is a seasoned operator who has scaled a few of the most iconic corporations in tech. At Stripe, she constructed and led partnerships that grew to become a foundational income engine, together with the pivotal cope with Shopify. At Notion, she helped flip viral adoption right into a sturdy distribution technique powered by group. Right now, Cristina is the Chief Working Officer at Linear, the place she’s making use of her expertise constructing high-velocity GTM engines to the subsequent era of developer-first instruments.
Mentioned on this episode
- Why Cristina joined Stripe with out understanding what an API was
- Constructing Stripe’s early partnerships and salvaging the Shopify deal
- How Notion pioneered community-driven progress
- Classes on model, design, and investing for the long run
- What Cristina seems for in distinctive founders and operators
- How Linear is scaling GTM with AI-driven prioritization
- The distinction between “holding the lights on” and transformative management
- Cristina’s frameworks for evaluating product resonance and buyer love
Episode Highlights
00:43 — The uncommon superpower behind Cristina’s profession: becoming a member of breakout corporations early
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2:46 — Why Cristina joined Stripe with out understanding what an API was
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW0czKFwD-Q&t=166
12:22 — On Cristina’s first day, Shopify walked away from Stripe’s deal — and the way she received them again
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16:55 — How Notion scaled by making client use free and fueling community-driven progress
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20:52 — Why investing in model early is a number one indicator of sturdy progress
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25:27 — Cristina’s framework for recognizing beloved merchandise available in the market
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37:53 — How Cristina utilized classes from Stripe to construct Linear’s GTM from scratch
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47:30 — The place AI suits into GTM: prioritizing alternatives, not changing people
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56:01 — Why Linear constructed high-quality swag kits for early prospects
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58:28 — The place to comply with Cristina’s journey at present
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Key takeaways
1. Partnerships are a income engine
Cristina constructed Stripe’s partnerships right into a core distribution channel, proving that platforms like Shopify can form an organization’s trajectory as a lot as direct gross sales.
2. Group could be distribution
At Notion, the true unlock was group. By empowering customers to create companies round templates, content material, and consulting, Notion turned followers into evangelists.
3. Model is a long-term guess
Cristina believes design and model investments sign whether or not founders are constructing for the long run. High quality design makes prospects assume product high quality.
4. Imaginative and prescient > brand measurement in partnerships
Stripe didn’t companion with Shopify as a result of it was large; they partnered as a result of Shopify’s imaginative and prescient aligned with the place the market was heading.
5. Search for spikiness in founders
Distinctive founders stand out by being world-class at one thing—even when it’s Minecraft servers or Taekwondo. Excellence interprets throughout domains.
6. Operators should act in founder mode
Nice operators don’t look forward to path. They determine alternatives, set technique, and execute with out being advised.
7. AI helps prioritize, not exchange
Linear makes use of AI to floor the most effective alternatives from a sea of self-serve signups, however the gross sales expertise stays deeply human.
8. Salespeople should match the vibe
Hiring technically credible salespeople with the appropriate “vibes” was important at Linear to keep away from the stereotype of pushy gross sales.
9. Distinctive leaders steadiness technique and execution
Cristina sees management as producing transformative concepts and in addition making certain flawless execution. One with out the opposite isn’t sufficient.
10. Relationships hold operators within the room
Past outcomes, operators should spend money on founder relationships. Alignment with founder priorities typically determines longevity within the position.
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GTM 164 Episode Transcript
Cristina Cordova: 0:00
It actually began with the individuals, a kind of issues the place I used to be identical to, oh, these persons are extremely shiny, have so many pursuits. I simply need to be round these individuals typically, no matter whether or not I work right here. Patrick was like oh, do you need to come out flying on my aircraft? And I used to be simply I’m not getting right into a small aircraft with an individual I barely know. My first day I sit down they usually inform us that they’ve really chosen to go along with with a unique companion.
Sophie Buonassisi: 0:43
Behind each breakout firm that turns into an iconic and legendary firm, there’s somebody quietly constructing the go-to-market engine. Behind the scenes, christina Cordova has a uncommon superpower she joins corporations earlier than the world is aware of their names and helps flip them into icons. She arrived at Stripe when the workforce was underneath 30 individuals. Why be a part of an organization while you didn’t know what an API was? Christina constructed an engine that helped Stripe scale, producing billions in income. On her very first day, shopify advised her they had been strolling away, a deal she finally saved, turning into one in every of Stripe’s greatest early wins. She did it once more at Notion, reworking Viral Buzz right into a community-driven progress machine, now producing tons of of thousands and thousands in income. And at present she’s doing it a 3rd time at Lanier, the place AI is reshaping how developer instruments attain prospects. On this episode, you’ll find out how Christina spots breakout corporations early and builds the go-to-market engine that turns them into unicorns. All proper, let’s get into it, christina, welcome to the podcast.
Cristina Cordova: 1:44
Thanks for having me.
Sophie Buonassisi: 1:45
Completely. It’s a pleasure. I need to soar proper in as a result of you recognize, behind each breakout firm that turns into an iconic and legendary firm, there’s somebody quietly constructing the go-to-market engine behind the scenes. And at Stripe you helped flip extra of an summary developer API right into a motion that basically reworked funds. And at Notion, you took a product with excessive virility and obtained it within the palms of 1000’s of individuals and created a permanent distribution engine. So curious to get your ideas as a result of time and again you’ve been capable of deliver merchandise into the palms of customers and your fingerprints are actually like on the go-to-market methods behind a variety of merchandise that grew to become enduring corporations. So I need to begin from Stripe. Now. You joined Stripe and I’ve heard you say you didn’t even know what an API was while you joined really. So I’m curious while you joined, why be a part of an organization while you didn’t know what an API was? Yeah, what potential did you see in it that you just knew would turn into this nice firm?
Cristina Cordova: 2:46
Yeah. So I imply, for me it actually began with the individuals. I occurred to run into Patrick Collison at a barbecue {that a} buddy of mine was throwing with a bunch of founders, and so I run into him. He’s like, oh yeah, I work at this firm known as Stripe and I’m like, okay, cool, Sounds good Funds on the web. I’m like cool. And it seems that he was dwelling in the home that was subsequent to the startup that I used to be working for on the time. So, purely simply due to proximity, we ended up we’re like, oh, we should always seize espresso and get to know one another. And so we did that.
Cristina Cordova: 3:20
And my determination to hitch Stripe actually began with how amazingly good the individuals behind Stripe had been, definitely beginning with Patrick after which John and plenty of different folks that I met there over time, and it wasn’t identical to uncooked mind or intelligence, but it surely was additionally this range of pursuits. , I believe Patrick was, oh, do you need to come out flying on my aircraft? And I used to be simply I’m not getting right into a small aircraft with an individual I barely know. After which I realized that he flies planes on a regular basis and clearly may be very competent, and all these issues the place you’re like, oh, wow, that is such an curiosity. And then you definately meet different individuals and it’s very comparable. So it’s a kind of issues the place I used to be simply oh, these persons are extremely shiny, have so many pursuits. Like, I sort of simply need to be round these individuals typically, no matter whether or not I work right here, Proper.
Sophie Buonassisi: 4:06
Yeah.
Cristina Cordova: 4:06
And so 9 months later I get a really severe electronic mail that’s we wish you to hitch the corporate and interview like actually interview, not simply putzing round, like having enjoyable conversations with individuals on the workforce. And I used to be okay Trigger I used to be very dedicated to the startup I used to be at on the time, and from there I began to get to know their final imaginative and prescient for the corporate and what they wished to realize. They usually had a really grand imaginative and prescient of constructing monetary infrastructure for the web. And, in fact, instantly, what precisely is that Sounds actually cool.
Cristina Cordova: 4:37
And we talked quite a bit about who their present prospects had been, which had been a variety of builders at startups who had been implementing funds on their web sites, in cellular apps, these sorts of issues. They usually had been beginning to consider effectively, who else on the planet accepts funds on the web? Proper, there are lots of people who don’t really know the best way to combine with an API, who need to settle for funds. How are they going to have the ability to do it proper? How do they do it at present? And then you definately understand there are all of those platforms.
Sophie Buonassisi: 5:17
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Cristina Cordova: 5:34
That allow corporations to get began with out essentially having an engineer on board. So Shopify for e-commerce or Xero or QuickBooks for invoicing you recognize these are ways in which you receives a commission with out essentially having to code and it’s like, effectively, ought to we be built-in with all of these instruments in order that, wherever you receives a commission whether or not you’re constructing a customized integration to your web site otherwise you simply need to ship an bill and you recognize, get financial institution cost that ought to all be Stripe, proper and effectively, we should always exit and discuss to those corporations and see in the event that they need to work with us in some form or kind and what are their issues and the way arduous is it to get arrange with funds on their platform, with no matter resolution exists at present and different opponents. And that, to me, was actually thrilling. I had carried out a variety of partnerships work prior, so I used to be okay, effectively, I’ve carried out media partnerships. How arduous might this be proper? After which, in fact, as I used to be interviewing, I used to be like I actually ought to take a look at these API docs and find out how they work and what’s doable. And, you recognize, attempt to get as technical as I could be no-transcript about my expertise at Stripe.
Cristina Cordova: 6:55
There have been lots of people who had been simply, as a substitute of me, becoming a member of that assembly. Why can’t, why can’t I train you the way to do that? , and be a part of that assembly, after which I don’t have to hitch it anymore proper Proper.
Cristina Cordova: 7:06
And in order that was simply one other advantage of working with actually nice individuals.
Sophie Buonassisi: 7:10
That’s unbelievable. So I imply you nailed the interview course of. Clearly they bring about you on. You’re beginning to perceive and get extra technical. What was the precise go-to-market movement or technique wanting on the time while you joined?
Cristina Cordova: 7:21
Yeah, so once I joined, every part was fairly self-serve. So that you as a developer would go into the web site, you’d combine with the API after which, every time a cost would come by means of, we’d take our minimize. Mainly, and that’s how we’d generate income. And we had perhaps one or two help individuals on the workforce. So should you had an API query or one thing that you would write into help and get a response.
Cristina Cordova: 7:43
Possibly a few month after I joined we employed a salesman, however you recognize they weren’t responding to RFPs and you recognize, going out and doing pitches, it was extra like somebody writes in and is like hey, I like Stripe, it’s attention-grabbing, however I’m going to want a reduction. What sort of low cost might you give me? And so then you definately’re making an attempt to determine your pricing mannequin and what are your prices and the way far are you able to low cost with out going underwater. And it’s really a really complicated enterprise. So it’s not straightforward to know what your prices are, in the identical method that perhaps compute is now or different issues proper, and so from that perspective it was fairly tough to consider what are these fashions? And also you’re making mainly your greatest guess and developing with the most effective mannequin that you would be able to to sort of perceive your prices. After which I might say it wasn’t till perhaps a 12 months or so later till we employed perhaps what I might outline as an actual or nearer to actual gross sales particular person. with an actual movement of what does this look. And I believe we known as everybody progress. You had been on the expansion workforce, proper? After which we began hiring a variety of, I might say, ex sort of advisor profiles in a variety of methods to sort of construct out this workforce, so individuals who had by no means actually carried out gross sales or account administration or a few of these different issues earlier than, or perhaps carried out it for one 12 months or two years, after which they had been becoming a member of the corporate, they had been on that progress workforce and they might do all of those completely different features, no matter was actually wanted for the corporate on the time.
Cristina Cordova: 9:14
After which I had carved out my very own space in partnerships and so we had been beginning to construct a variety of actually unbelievable partnerships with e-commerce, invoicing, reserving platforms, mainly happening the record of what are all the highest gamers within the area. How can we companion with each one in every of them? How can we give them a income share to maintain them incentivized to proceed working with us? And as we develop, they develop and looking for the appropriate incentive constructions there and that enterprise began to develop very considerably proper incentive constructions there and that enterprise began to develop very considerably and the first charge limiter on it doing effectively was what number of offers I might do with companions. In order that was the interval the place I used to be like perhaps it’s time to rent one other particular person. And I talked to my supervisor on the time, who was our COO after which finally grew to become our chief enterprise officer, and he was effectively, I believe you’ve been doing a great job. So you recognize I’m going to allow you to rent this particular person and construct out a workforce and I believe you deserve that.
Cristina Cordova: 10:09
And you recognize, I began sort of constructing that workforce and we sort of had the thought of people who find themselves out going getting new companions and people who find themselves managing present companions and we constructed that to a reasonably good portion of Stripe’s total income and a very nice enterprise total for a number of years.
Cristina Cordova: 10:25
And by that point we had a full-fledged gross sales workforce income leaders, gross sales managers, all these issues as effectively.
Cristina Cordova: 10:32
And I believe our head of income got here to me at one level and was hey, christina, I’m head of income. Possibly it’s somewhat bizarre that your workforce is managing a variety of what finally turns into income for the enterprise, as a result of these companions are referring all of those retailers to us, proper, and I used to be like that’s truthful. And in addition these partnerships have gotten very, I might say, formulaic and you recognize, what was actually distinctive and first of a form in the beginning will not be anymore. We have now a playbook and a gross sales workforce might most likely run that playbook and so we transitioned all of these partnerships into the gross sales workforce and I believe now we name it platform partnerships inside gross sales or one thing like that at Stripe. After which I began constructing out quite a few product partnerships and sort of shifted the workforce extra in a product path, working very intently with PMs, engineering these sorts of issues. So yeah, that was a variety of foundational, I might say, income producing distribution work for the enterprise. That occurred very early on.
Sophie Buonassisi: 11:35
Yeah, no, that’s unbelievable and also you constructed out a ton of potential income and income that transformed from pipeline to income by means of partnerships initially, and I do know Shopify was one of many offers that you just helped herald and companion with. I’m curious that’s such an enormous model, particularly for a startup to get on board as a buyer. What a part of that sort of partnership deal may need virtually fallen aside or what was the toughest half about securing Shopify?
Cristina Cordova: 12:01
Yeah, so our preliminary cope with Shopify was closed earlier than I joined, really, but it surely was a really light-weight integration, I might say. After which my first day my supervisor was like hey, you must come be a part of this assembly as a result of this can be a companion you’re going to handle proper. After which I sit down they usually inform us that they’ve really chosen to go along with a unique companion.
Cristina Cordova: 12:22
Oh, no day one On day one yeah, that wasn’t Stripe as a result of they wished to personal extra of the stack successfully, and we had this type of like very light-weight resolution they usually wished to personal extra of the expertise as a result of they thought that might be higher finally for his or her buyer. And so I used to be like, effectively, this isn’t the most effective you recognize first day for me, however hopefully we are able to determine this out. After which it was a important time within the firm. We had been perhaps, you recognize, we had been lower than 30 individuals and we needed to determine okay, can we attempt to save this proper? Is that this salvageable? First, after which what wouldn’t it require us to construct with a purpose to put it aside? And that might mainly be an entire new set of APIs that might allow them to manage extra of the expertise after which provide that to their prospects. After which, you recognize, what would the enterprise mannequin appear like, what would the construction be, and do we predict that we need to not construct all these different issues that we had deliberate to construct and do that as a substitute, and that most likely that was most likely a 3rd of the engineering workforce or one thing like that when it comes to what it will require. And so it was fairly important for us and we finally made the choice that they had been an essential sufficient companion that we should always go and do this. But it surely’s straightforward to look again and say, sure, that was, in fact, the apparent, proper determination to do this and finally win them again over and have them terminate this relationship.
Cristina Cordova: 13:44
That by no means went wherever with the opposite companion, however on the time, shopify was perhaps I need to say 40 individuals or one thing 50 individuals and we had been 30 individuals. It wasn’t like we had been partnering with some large group with this large alternative. So it wasn’t as apparent on the time that you must throw off your entire roadmap mainly for an additional startup, and I believe the you recognize in hindsight, the selection was made primarily as a result of we believed in Shopify’s imaginative and prescient for the world and what they had been making an attempt to do, and we felt that finally, they’re asking for this as a result of they’re tremendous modern they usually need to construct the most effective product. However perhaps different corporations on the planet are additionally going to need the identical factor finally, and perhaps they’re simply on the bleeding fringe of this, and finally different individuals will need entry to this too. So this received’t be only a customized, one-off factor that we’re doing for Shopify, but additionally one thing that we’re doing for different companions as effectively, and that was actually, I believe the important thing a part of it after which additionally understanding that they had been rising quick and we had been additionally rising quick.
Cristina Cordova: 14:50
However I believe a variety of instances you take a look at partnerships and also you’re like we should always go after this companion that’s large and will deliver quite a bit to our enterprise. However typically that sort of companion goes to need to push you round and need to have a deal the place you recognize they’ve the very best final result and also you’re sort of like driving alongside and in a variety of methods, partnering with smaller corporations could be far simpler and I believe I’ve additionally taken that strategy at Linear. We’ve labored with a variety of what I might outline as like different fast paced startups and that’s been actually unbelievable for us. However you recognize, I believe in one other world wouldn’t it make sense to companion with a very large firm? I believe it’s a must to ensure that the incentives are actually there and that it is sensible. However I positively suppose that was a key and important partnership that reworked the enterprise, not simply because we received Shopify and continued to maintain it, but additionally what it did for lots of different companions finally down the street.
Sophie Buonassisi: 15:47
Very cool. It appears like simply taking a primary rules strategy to partnerships, the place you’re not essentially wanting on the model measurement however actually wanting on the imaginative and prescient, the alignment, the mission on the core after which selecting your companions primarily based on that. Sure, Cool, sure, precisely. And shifting to Notion, which you later joined. Notion was blowing up while you joined what was sort of the important thing progress unlock for the distribution engine at Notion.
Cristina Cordova: 16:14
Yeah, I imply I believe the workforce at Notion had carried out a variety of actually unbelievable work early on to construct a very robust group across the product, and I hadn’t actually seen a community-driven progress technique in earlier corporations. Lots of people like Stripe and would say nice issues about it and love the product and that sort of stuff, however they didn’t essentially have pores and skin within the sport in the identical method that Notion’s group did. So, very early on, the product was out there for shoppers to make use of and in addition for companies, and so one of many, I believe, key choices for the corporate was are we a client enterprise? Are we a B2B firm? What are we?
Cristina Cordova: 16:55
And finally deciding that we should always make the buyer enterprise free which was a call we made whereas I used to be there in order that extra individuals obtained to expertise what Notion was after which a variety of the individuals who might expertise it as a person you recognize you’re planning your wedding ceremony in Notion or doing so many different issues that you just then begin to say, oh, might I take advantage of this at work? Or what are the good use circumstances that you recognize may exist in my skilled life, past my private life? So that you had a variety of like what I might name it, perhaps like actually indie skilled individuals who had been consultants or you recognize, within the arts or artistic. world that began utilizing Notion as their portfolio and in addition how they’d do all of their mission administration for his or her particular person work.
Cristina Cordova: 17:44
, issues like that that I believe, had been actually important to construct a variety of fanfare. After which we employed individuals early on who invested deeply in constructing a group. So let’s get these individuals collectively, just about or in particular person. Let’s ship them swag just about or in particular person, let’s ship them swag. Let’s create this ambassador program in order that individuals who need to do Notion meetups or issues like that may really do this. Let’s give them early beta entry to a variety of our options in order that they really feel they’re on the within and get entry to issues sooner than others. And in addition it’s a good way to get product suggestions, yeah.
Cristina Cordova: 18:24
So all these issues I might say had been key parts of constructing a group across the product, and a variety of these individuals ended up constructing careers round Notion. So that they created like Notion templates after which would promote them, sure, and have a fantastic enterprise. Quite a lot of them grew to become Notion consultants, so working with corporations on the best way to arrange their Notion workspaces, issues like that, and making some huge cash doing that. So the group began to turn into very financially incentivized to see Notion succeed and creating YouTube movies, doing a variety of different issues that we didn’t pay them to do these issues, however they’d generate income in different methods off of that and it was, on the identical time, very useful to us as a result of we didn’t must create all of this instructional content material and stuff like that. They get to it and I believe that was like a mannequin that I had by no means actually seen earlier than, and I give a variety of credit score to Camille and a variety of early individuals on our workforce who invested deeply in that sort of technique.
Sophie Buonassisi: 19:26
Tremendous cool and also you guys had been, I imply, one of many first actually creating that community-driven technique at such a depth. I believe that’s an enormous differentiator. Now you see it far more generally, particularly for PLG corporations. You had been actually trailblazing that mannequin?
Cristina Cordova: 19:42
Yeah, completely. I believe Figma was one other firm that did it very equally.
Sophie Buonassisi: 19:48
I believe when you’ve gotten an viewers that’s very artistic, that turns into a pure a part of like sort of evangelizing inside that group in a method, and it’s cool to see little components of your playbook at Notion now utilized to different corporations, like even the animation designer that you just guys had behind. You may see that Clay now has an animation designer. Oh yeah, Simply somebody who simply a lot delight.
Cristina Cordova: 20:09
Like, yeah, who simply does like Clay stuff all day and also you’re simply, that is wild, and I believe a variety of it. Possibly you concentrate on it, as you recognize this, like enjoyable, quirky, one-off job, but it surely’s additionally about model proper and the way you see the model and the way you select to spend money on the model, and I believe to me that’s at all times been a fantastic signal of a enterprise that basically cares about constructing for the long run. I believe at Stripe we cared quite a bit in regards to the model early on. We’re very attentive to buyer suggestions, issues like that, and we invested quite a bit in design, which some individuals interpreted as advertising and marketing, however I really suppose it was design, design.
Sophie Buonassisi: 20:52
Pure design?
Cristina Cordova: 20:52
Yeah, true design and I believe the founders cared quite a bit about that, though they weren’t essentially designers. They employed actually unbelievable designers and product-minded individuals to work on the web site and the model and people sorts of issues. After which Notion clearly took a really completely different form in hiring an illustrator very early on, which was unbelievable. , at Linear our CEO is a designer, so it’s actually on the core of what we do. However our model can also be very completely different. We have now a way more skilled model and it’s very clear, very modern, minimal shade. So it’s simply, in a variety of methods, very completely different.
Cristina Cordova: 21:33
However while you see one thing and does that really feel linear or does it not really feel like linear? And to me that’s like having a model. You will have a path the place individuals can go but additionally know the place they shouldn’t go or the place that’s too far. And investing in that early has at all times been very engaging to me as an worker, as a result of I do know that these are founders who need to spend money on the long run and be affected person about constructing issues that take time, and I believe constructing a model is a part of that.
Sophie Buonassisi: 22:01
Completely. There’s a saying that I like and I take into consideration on a regular basis with corporations that spend money on model and it’s individuals impute the standard of your product from the standard of your design and every part we do. Now I at all times take into consideration that quote, irregardless if it’s a small tweak on the web site or if it’s a model guideline, no matter it’s. Sure, yeah, so it appears like what I sort of heard you say was one of many issues that you just search for, whether or not deliberately or not, however a great signal as a founder that basically leans into constructing model, as a result of it’s a long-term funding.
Sophie Buonassisi: 22:35
Are there different issues that you just search for aside from being whisked away in a aircraft up prime?
Cristina Cordova: 22:41
and an airline, however total curiosities.
Sophie Buonassisi: 22:43
It appears like investing in long-term sturdy options. Are there different stuff you search for in your workforce.
Cristina Cordova: 22:58
So I might simply say like gifted in a number of ways in which I’m not Ying and yang it’s a part of it.
Cristina Cordova: 23:01
Yeah, precisely, it’s like I need a founding workforce to have a variety of expertise that they’ll deliver to the desk, however the expertise that I can observe usually are not my expertise, however I can nonetheless perceive that.
Cristina Cordova: 23:13
It’s distinctive.
Cristina Cordova: 23:14
There are individuals that you would be able to observe and also you’re identical to oh yeah, that’s an engineer.
Cristina Cordova: 23:19
After which, while you’ve been working on this business lengthy sufficient, you’ll be able to inform the distinction, even should you’re not an engineer, between somebody who’s good and somebody who’s nice, and typically that is perhaps in domains which can be outdoors of what you’ll suppose, like an engineer interacting with a buyer and making an attempt to know their technical suggestions and the best way to repair it.
Cristina Cordova: 23:41
That’s an interplay that you would be able to observe as somebody who’s not essentially technical to know in the event that they’re really nice at what they do. So there’s quite a bit that I take into consideration once I take into consideration founders, the place, okay, should you’re a designer, I need you to be probably the greatest designers on the planet. In case you’re an engineer, I need you to be probably the greatest engineers on the planet, and I believe it’s essential that, as founders, you might be bringing the most effective of the most effective to the desk, as a result of it additionally helps you recruit so many different actually unbelievable individuals too, as a result of you recognize what to search for as somebody who’s nice in no matter area that is perhaps, after which, on the identical time, I believe in a variety of methods you might be searching for distinctive individuals even in different domains that you’re not accustomed to.
Cristina Cordova: 24:30
So, you recognize, as an early stage firm, you do a variety of first of hiring. You’re hiring your first individuals ops particular person and your first recruiter and your first salesperson. And as a technical founder, chances are you’ll not know quite a bit about these domains or perceive what’s the distinction between good and nice, however I have a tendency to search out that if you’re distinctive at one thing your self, you might be higher at sort of making an attempt to identify that exceptionalism in different individuals. In order that’s positively a key element of it. After which I might say, from a enterprise standpoint as an entire, I’ve typically joined corporations which can be publish having some sort of product available in the market. Yeah. So I attempt to look for lots of indicators that that product is doing effectively available in the market. It doesn’t must be doing amazingly effectively, proper. And in addition, your interpretation of that on the skin is proscribed, given the info that you’ve got.
Cristina Cordova: 25:27
However I like merchandise that individuals love a lot that they need to discuss them someplace on the skin is proscribed, given the info that you’ve got. However I like merchandise that individuals love a lot that they need to discuss them someplace on the web, proper. So with Stripe, it was like individuals speaking about Stripe on Hacker Information and I might seek for individuals posting about it. And what are individuals saying? Proper, as a result of I’m additionally, I used to be not a buyer of Stripe. I don’t know. Is that this actually a fantastic product, proper? So I might go discuss to folks that I knew who had been early stage startup individuals and I might say what are you utilizing for funds? Oh, you’re utilizing Stripe. Why did you select that? Do you prefer it? , like these sorts of issues to attempt to perceive why they made sure choices.
Sophie Buonassisi: 26:04
Yeah.
Cristina Cordova: 26:05
After which for Notion. Quite a lot of my perspective was on Twitter, Like what are individuals saying about this product? Proper, Do they?
Sophie Buonassisi: 26:11
prefer it.
Cristina Cordova: 26:11
Do they like it? Is it controversial? why? Linear was very comparable, like the place can I discover this product’s viewers? After which what’s the viewers saying in regards to the product? Yeah, and I believe that may be very useful to know. Is that this a beloved product, even when the viewers is small?
Cristina Cordova:26:32
Proper, and that issues quite a bit to me as a result of you recognize, for probably the most half, you recognize I’ve managed actually each kind of perform Engineering, product administration, enterprise, income, all this stuff however typically I’m not hands-on constructing the product.
Cristina Cordova: 26:47
Typically I’m not hands-on constructing the product. And so I might like to see that there’s proof that the people who find themselves hands-on constructing the product are listening to prospects, know what prospects need, and that no matter they’ve constructed thus far is resonating with these prospects. After which I believe what you are likely to see is that people who find themselves perhaps detractors or don’t consider within the model may simply be larger corporations, proper, which can be, oh yeah, like Stripe, that’s for startups. that’s what individuals would say within the early days after they had been like, yeah, that’s most likely not going wherever. And then you definately understand that, like, each firm begins out with some sort of wedge available in the market that they’re centered on after which finally, over time, in the event that they’re profitable, they’re capable of sort of develop that wedge and personal an even bigger share of the pie. And for each firm I’ve been a part of that’s carried out B2B, it’s been beginning with startups and early stage corporations after which going to develop stage corporations in mid-market after which going to enterprise.
Cristina Cordova: 27:47
So sure, the enterprise corporations actually early on are going to be like oh you’re small, nobody’s going to make use of you, like that sort of factor, and then you definately’re simply going to alter that firm’s thoughts and it’d take you a decade, however you are able to do it proper. However you have to be resonating rather well inside that wedge that you’ve got outlined is working rather well. So these are the issues I attempt to like suss out. It’s actually individuals and like is the product resonating available in the market that you’re actually centered on at this specific second in time? However typically, clearly, while you’re a pre-product firm, it’s actually simply the workforce, yeah, and that’s all you’ve obtained proper. And so, determining what are the info factors that you just do have and do you discover that the corporate is outstanding in one in every of workforce market product areas? And ideally it’s all three and you’ve got a transformational enterprise in entrance of you.
Sophie Buonassisi: 28:44
So tremendous cool. It’s actually attention-grabbing to listen to you really articulate that, as a result of it mirrors precisely how we consider startups, too, and founders. It truly is. , two of the core areas I heard you say was across the particular person. We take into consideration that as spikiness. Yep, you recognize, one of many founders we invested in was the biggest creator of a Minecraft server. Oh wow, tremendous area of interest and random, however he was so obsessed with this concept that he pursued it. Identical sort of factor of you recognize what are individuals wonderful at and what are they pursuing. After which, equally, with the beloved prospects and simply individuals being being large raving followers of a product we search for, you recognize individuals that might primarily be so sad if the product was taken away from them.
Sophie Buonassisi: 29:25
We’d take a look at that over income any day or most, or most days, I ought to say any day, however most days, you recognize, we’d slightly have 10 joyful design companions which can be paying a tiny tiny fraction over, you recognize, $500,000 in income with their extra disparate logos typically yeah, yeah, not sort of the identical rules. I heard you say.
Cristina Cordova: 29:41
Yeah, I like what you talked about across the Minecraft factor. It’s like me. It’s like I need to see somebody who’s distinctive at one thing, as a result of then I do know that, like, after they make this transition to being a founder, they’re going to need to be distinctive at that too, proper. So, whether or not it’s craft or, I don’t know, taekwondo or your IMO gold or these are the extra basic, nearer to engineering kind issues.
Cristina Cordova: 30:06
However I didn’t know taekwondo was so engineering centered nearer to engineering kind issues however I didn’t know Taekwondo was so engineering centered Much less in order that, extra the IMO gold focus. However or these individuals who do like what’s it like quiz bowl or issues like that? Proper, these like competitors, math-y type issues, most likely nearer to engineering after which perhaps good founder, like you recognize, you’ll see, however you need individuals to be good at one thing. That’s what we’re making an attempt to do. We’re making an attempt to construct one thing distinctive. So having somebody who’s been distinctive at one thing, no matter it is perhaps, can also be a very good signal. Such as you see, this even about gross sales leaders so lots of them are athletes, school stage athletes going straight into gross sales and it’s like, effectively, yeah, if you’re somebody who has expertise making an attempt to get out in, like school athletics, you’re most likely capable of choose up the cellphone, make a variety of cellphone calls, be comparatively personable and shut some offers proper, You’re used to rejection Proper precisely.
Cristina Cordova:31:01
So issues like that, the place you’re simply sort of like what’s the corollary for what this particular person has carried out traditionally and does that translate to this new subject, whether or not it’s being a founder or being an operational chief or what have you ever? , I believe the attention-grabbing factor about startups is that we’re all doing issues that we’ve got no enterprise doing. I’ve by no means been a COO till now, so you recognize you would argue what enterprise do I’ve doing this job? Proper, I had by no means labored at a startup, you recognize, till I had proper. So we’re all doing this stuff, I believe, for the primary time. And anybody who’s constructing an organization is constructing an organization in that particular marketplace for the particular buyer, you recognize, for the very first time.
Cristina Cordova: 31:41
So we’re all doing one thing that we don’t essentially have expertise in, and it’s essential to consider A what are the issues that I do deliver to the desk which can be going to assist me regulate to this drawback and the best way to remedy it?
Cristina Cordova: 31:56
After which are there examples that exist elsewhere that I can study from, I believe, the straight founders. One of many issues they’re actually nice at is simply bringing on this progress mindset to every part that they’re doing. There have been instances once we had been doing firm planning early on they usually had been like, christina, might you perhaps go off and have some conversations with another individuals at larger corporations about how they do planning after which deliver these learnings again to us? Yeah, and so I went and I did that and I talked to execs at Amazon, at Meta, at Google, a number of locations, and tried to know how they did planning after which what, if something, might translate to Stripe of effectively, google plans this fashion. So we should always plan this fashion too, as a result of, you recognize, is that what makes Google a fantastic enterprise how they do operational planning. I don’t know, but it surely is probably not proper.
Sophie Buonassisi: 32:59
Or it could possibly be distinctive to them in a sure method.
Cristina Cordova: 33:01
Proper, yeah, and so like, is the match there for your small business, like from this recommendation that you just’re getting, and making an attempt to know if it actually applies to you? After which understanding is what makes this enterprise nice, like this specific factor, or really is it these different issues that they’re actually good at and the operational planning could possibly be horrible and it wouldn’t actually matter, proper?
Sophie Buonassisi: 33:23
So, hey, one fast factor In case you like what you’re listening to right here, you must try the Product Market Match Present hosted by Pablo Cerugo of Mistral VC, the place prime founders share precisely how they discovered product market match. It’s probably the greatest podcasts for early stage founders, going from zero to at least one. Simply search the Product Market Match Present or examine the present notes. Very cool. And what in regards to the operator facet? Since you your self you’ve been I imply, one of many first enterprise hires for corporations a number of instances. You assess founders in a sure framework, like we talked about. Does the identical framework apply to operators while you rent? As a result of I’ve heard you say be the person who builds with out being requested to.
Cristina Cordova: 34:02
Yeah, I imply, I believe it relies upon about like management particularly, so some sort of like operational chief inside an organization.
Cristina Cordova: 34:09
I positively suppose I’ve at all times appreciated individuals who have a extra like entrepreneurial mindset, so founder mode clearly being a factor, however I don’t suppose that solely applies to founders. I positively suppose it applies to people who find themselves main in corporations, and I believe that’s as a result of the mode that it requires of you at a sure stage and measurement, which is like I’ve by no means joined an organization outdoors my first job straight out of faculty with greater than 40 individuals, proper, so I’ve at all times been very interested in corporations of a sure measurement and rising with them over time. Stripe was 3,000 individuals once I left, however I believe, in a variety of methods, beginning with corporations which can be actually small, you’re searching for individuals who can see issues and need to repair them, or see a chance and need to exit and get it, and I believe, for lots of people, perhaps in additional conventional environments, are ready to be advised what to do and are ready to be like. Oh, what technique is, like you recognize, christina, going to present me?
Cristina Cordova: 35:15
that tells me what I ought to do that month and it’s like no, no, no, I’m hiring you as a result of I believe you’ll be able to give you a method, proper, and you recognize, the distinction between a very nice management rent and a not so nice management rent is somebody who’s coming to you and saying, hey, you recognize, christina, I believe we should always change pricing at Linear, proper, or I believe we should always construct out our EMEA workforce, or I believe we should always do that, and I’m like this can be a nice thought. Let’s have a dialog about it, proper, yeah, versus me having to go to them and essentially say all of these issues. In fact, there are going to be issues that I’ve concepts about and that’s why I used to be employed, proper and convey that to the desk, however I do suppose I anticipate that leaders that I rent are going to not simply take into consideration what are the issues that we must be doing at sure phases or measurement of enterprise, as a result of there are issues which can be fairly regular, like okay, at this stage, we should always begin having audited financials and we should always get a finance particular person, and we should always you recognize, that’s very basic Not essentially like modern or going to rework the enterprise, although, proper, yeah, so should you’re going to spend time, you recognize, developing with concepts. I’d slightly it’s on the ladder slightly than like on the stuff that, sure, we’re going to have to do this in some unspecified time in the future, and cheap Like, sure, we are able to do this now. Yeah, however coming and saying what are the issues that we’re going to do, that may markedly change, you recognize, the trajectory of what we’re doing I believe is actually essential and hiring individuals that you just suppose can do this.
Cristina Cordova: 36:45
However that’s not true of all features. Some features, just like the job is to maintain the lights on and hold issues transferring and trains operating on time and issues like that proper. However I might say that for lots of roles the place you can also make a transformative impression for the enterprise, the job of management is to essentially suppose by means of how that enterprise can rework after which have the ability to go and execute in opposition to it. As a result of concepts are nice, all of us have a number of concepts however should you can’t execute and get it carried out, the concepts don’t go wherever. And so for me, I’ve at all times been a way more execution-oriented particular person. I actually like doing issues, I like getting issues carried out, I like making progress, however that may’t come at the price of pondering strategically and making an attempt to do new issues and being modern.
Sophie Buonassisi: 37:35
Yeah, that is sensible. And I imply you talked about you scaled from lower than 40 individuals to 1000’s of individuals and organizations and also you’ve seen billion greenback go to market and also you’ve seen it constructed from scratch. What are you doing now at Lanier that you just’re restarting that construct course of?
Cristina Cordova: 37:53
I believe there are positively classes I’ve realized, like at Stripe. Within the early days, I believe there was a variety of concern of salespeople, like as if the salesperson that we’d rent can be an individual who’s making an attempt to promote you one thing that you just don’t want and all these sorts of issues, and it was like you’ll find salespeople who know gross sales and may do it effectively with out coming throughout on this specific method and so realizing that at early stage corporations the vibes are essential and if the founders suss out that we’re hiring salespeople with the mistaken vibes, it’s not going to work.
Cristina Cordova: 38:42
However understanding that I’d slightly save us a variety of time and as a substitute of hiring individuals who don’t essentially have gross sales expertise, rent people who find themselves skilled in gross sales however have carried out a variety of technical promoting so promoting to a purchaser who’s in engineering, product and design purchaser who’s in engineering, product and design and we virtually completely rent salespeople with these backgrounds, particularly as a result of I do know that they’ve to come back throughout in a sure method to not be salesy historically, and that has saved us a variety of time that I believe was wasted at Stripe to sort of work out you recognize, how can we promote, what’s the technique right here, what’s the strategy, and minimize by means of a few of that preliminary work and get straight to what’s the worth that we’re offering and the way can we discuss it and what’s the gross sales narrative, after which discovering a workforce that understands the best way to function. At Stripe we didn’t have particular person quotas till perhaps I left the corporate. That’s three individuals, yeah, yeah. So I believe by the point I left we had workforce quotas. We had been slowly getting there as a result of it wasn’t essentially a conventional gross sales workforce, proper. And once I joined Linear, we had our head of gross sales and one salesperson. And once we employed that one gross sales workforce, proper. And once I joined Linear we had our head of gross sales and one gross sales particular person and once we employed that one gross sales particular person he had a quota from day one. So simply issues like that the place I believe having that construction could be actually useful In different companies the place you don’t perceive your small business mannequin, you don’t perceive your pricing and a few of these issues had been true of Stripe.
Cristina Cordova: 40:06
On the time you’re like, oh, perhaps we shouldn’t have a quota as a result of I don’t need to incentivize the mistaken behaviors and find yourself screwing up the enterprise, proper.
Cristina Cordova: 40:13
However I believe when you’ve gotten a reasonably agency sense of what your prices are and we’re in some methods, conventional SaaS proper, seat-based promoting so it’s a little bit extra structured and simpler to know and simpler to mannequin.
Cristina Cordova: 40:26
So there are positively classes I’ve taken away which have been extra of that form. However I might say my greatest lesson traditionally has been understanding that on the finish of the day, the decide on whether or not you’re doing a great job is do the founders need to hold you round, like as an govt chief who’s employed by founders and works for founders? Yeah, and there have positively been executives I’ve labored with in my profession the place I’m identical to I simply don’t suppose this particular person’s doing a fantastic job, and then you definately understand that the explanation they’re nonetheless there may be as a result of the founders love them, you recognize, and so the founder will shuffle them round to completely different components of the org and completely different components of the corporate, though they’re not doing a fantastic job, as a result of they’re well liked by the founders, proper, proper, and so I hope that I’m doing really a great job, proper? Yeah, in fact that’s the primary objective, however in actuality, I believe it’s a must to understand that a variety of these choices are relationship-oriented.
Cristina Cordova: 41:25
Who stays at an organization, who grows at an organization, who will get the chance to sort of see it by means of for an extended time frame and I believe what I’ve realized is rather like it’s a must to construct these relationships so that you’re on the identical web page and that you just’re understanding of what their priorities are, and their priorities must be your priorities, and I believe that’s a important element of success.
Cristina Cordova: 41:47
when you concentrate on being an govt chief who’s employed by founders like my, job is to make their lives simpler yeah and higher, and I might hope that at any level they are saying I’m so grateful we employed Christina as a result of I don’t have to do that anymore, or as a result of now that is going so a lot better or all of this stuff. I need that to be true, but it surely’s not going to be true until I spend money on the connection and I perceive what they need.
Sophie Buonassisi: 42:14
Yeah, completely. That is sensible. And let’s say you’re dropped into an organization who may be very early stage, just like the way you constructed Linear Notion Stripe how do you assess the go-to-market? What can be the primary issues that you just’d construct out, simply objectively, irregardless of the nuances of the enterprise, however templates, frameworks, other ways of actually constructing out the go-to-market roadmap?
Cristina Cordova: 42:40
I really feel like I might most likely begin with simply getting in there and being very hands-on. Yeah, so are there gross sales calls? I can be a part of. How do I get in entrance of consumers? How do I observe what’s occurring? So actually beginning to perceive these issues I believe is useful.
Cristina Cordova:42:59
One of many first issues I did at one firm I joined was I did a ride-along with our first salesperson and I used to be like I wasn’t in gross sales however I used to be like I simply need to see the pitch and perceive what that is like and I can have an interpretation on whether or not that is good or unhealthy. Proper, yeah, after which we are able to work out the best way to sort of make progress. So I believe a variety of it’s simply observational, to sort of perceive issues. Like, once I got here into Linear we had a head of gross sales. He was our one salesperson, yeah, so he was each making an attempt to construct out the perform and be an AE on the identical time and we talked quite a bit about how he wished to construct out the workforce and rent extra individuals however was feeling perhaps like in the same method to how Stripe was some resistance to hiring salespeople from the founders.
Cristina Cordova: 43:45
Very regular. And so it’s making an attempt to know. How does all people really feel about this, proper? So speaking to founders and understanding the way you suppose it’s going yeah Proper, chances are you’ll not really know proper, Since you’re perhaps doubtlessly far faraway from it, however what is definitely occurring right here after which being in a few of these conferences and calls and understanding how they’re going your self after which making an attempt to match what’s the interpretation that different individuals have about this perform? After which what’s your interpretation of the efficiency on the floor stage with prospects?
Cristina Cordova: 44:17
And I actually care about that, firstly as a result of I might by no means need anybody to have a foul expertise. And I believe, as an govt, there are such a lot of instances when unhealthy experiences are escalated to you. Oh, there have been so many instances once I was at different corporations the place it will be like I had this horrible expertise with help Christina, are you able to assist me? Or issues like that. And that’s most likely probably the most irritating second operationally as a pacesetter, when these escalations are coming to you and you recognize that it’s your fault as the corporate are coming to you and you recognize that it’s your fault as the corporate. So I believe making an attempt to know that at floor stage is like the very first thing that’s essential.
Cristina Cordova: 44:56
After which I believe it’s a must to do an train to know we did this at Stripe very early on primarily based on how the corporate goes income margins, progress charge how do we predict this enterprise goes to develop over the subsequent three months, six months a 12 months? After which how many individuals are we going to want to must help this enterprise? Proper, so simply foundationally, like at stripe. For instance, we had all these individuals writing into help. We couldn’t get again to them rapidly sufficient and the enterprise was rising. So we have to mannequin out how large of a gap are we going to be in the place we’re not going to have the ability to get again to individuals, and so how rapidly do we have to rent with a purpose to get out of that gap?
Sophie Buonassisi: 45:38
Proper.
Cristina Cordova: 45:39
So understanding that first. After which I believe, when you’re out of a gap which typically you want to get your self out of then it’s about what are the investments that we’re making proper? So Linear is a really self-serve enterprise and that’s how we began. However we began to get people who find themselves writing in to gross sales and saying, can I’ve a dialog? So then you recognize, subsequent goal is to be sure you get again to everybody who’s writing into you and that you just ship a really robust gross sales expertise to anybody who’s coming inbound. And then you definately’re like effectively, what’s the alternative of outbound proper? What might we do to develop the enterprise quicker if we try new issues and doing issues in a different way?
Cristina Cordova: 46:19
And you recognize, outbound will not be like you recognize, ooh, transformative, however like, should you haven’t carried out it earlier than, sure, it’s new. So what’s that? How a lot are we going to spend money on it? After which, if we had been to do all the outbound on the planet that we predict is helpful to the enterprise and environment friendly, how large would our workforce be and the way a lot do we have to rent? So these are the issues I have a tendency to consider. It’s like is the standard there, firstly, within the expertise? As a result of if the standard will not be there, we are able to’t construct something till we repair it. After which subsequent, are we getting again to individuals quick sufficient? Are we filling present wants? After which, what hiring do we have to do to get there? After which the final step is the place can we need to make investments and the way a lot can we?
Sophie Buonassisi: 47:01
need to make investments and the way rapidly. And also you talked about outbound, in fact, and headcount and understanding the scaling course of. You scaled a number of enterprise earlier than AI was so deeply embedded within the go-to-market movement. I’m curious what has modified now with AI constructing at Lanier.
Cristina Cordova: 47:19
Yeah, I might say the largest change with AI has been primarily in serving to decide what alternatives we go after in serving to decide what alternatives we go after.
Cristina Cordova: 47:30
It has not modified basically. The gross sales expertise, just like the expertise you’ve gotten as a buyer, Such as you nonetheless need to discuss to a human being, that human being goes to must interpret your wants primarily based on what you say. all of these issues are as they had been 5 years in the past, 10 years in the past. However you recognize, as a result of we’re such a heavy self-serve enterprise, we’ve got a variety of signups and it’s a must to work out the place’s the needle within the haystack, The place’s the large alternative that we must be listening to.
Cristina Cordova:47:57
And it’s not simply oh, I’m going to ship an electronic mail out to that inbound signup as a result of, I don’t know, it’s like Netflix or one thing you recognize, so apparent, proper, but it surely’s like effectively, is that this particular person from this very giant firm who signed up for our product the appropriate particular person to make use of our product, or are they like an IC engineer in an org and we have to discover different individuals throughout the org?
Cristina Cordova: 48:21
who additionally care about linear, or discover somebody who’s a number of ranges up proper, and that’s going to require funding and analysis and a variety of tooling, and that, I believe, is the place AI has actually are available in to say, okay, what are the alternatives primarily based on the scale of this firm, the one that signed up, whether or not they’re in our ICP? All of this stuff must be automated in order that we’re spending our time crafting the appropriate messaging to the appropriate particular person inside a corporation after which reaching out to them in a format that we predict goes to yield the most effective final result. So I believe that’s the largest space the place issues have modified for us, which has been actually important, as a result of for our enterprise, it’s not lots of people signing as much as need to discuss to the gross sales workforce.
Sophie Buonassisi: 49:09
Proper.
Cristina Cordova: 49:09
As a result of we’re a really you recognize developer-heavy enterprise. It’s way more like how do you discover the appropriate individuals?
Sophie Buonassisi:49:18
I used to check and experiment quite a bit with messaging and that was a giant studying. Yeah, as a result of constantly should you put a human as the end result, it was much less more likely to convert. Human as the end result, it was much less more likely to convert. So if someone was like gross sales, name, discuss to a salesman much less doubtless of conversion versus something unrelated to a human expertise which is so attention-grabbing.
Sophie Buonassisi:49:37
Folks need to do their very own analysis extra now than ever, particularly while you’re sure archetypes which can be somewhat bit extra hands-on and dealing with the product themselves, like builders.
Cristina Cordova: 49:47
Yeah, like our gross sales workforce. They don’t even say on their LinkedIn profiles I’m an account govt. They are saying I’m on the client workforce, you recognize, yeah. And so it’s very very like how can I assist you to, how can I be of service to you and your group? Once more, we don’t need to come throughout like we’re making an attempt to promote you one thing you don’t want. Yeah, so it’s such as you, ought to you’ve gotten issues, like presumably you’re signing up for us for a purpose proper to discover, there’s an issue you need to remedy, and so forth. And that’s the place the chance is. And I believe coming throughout as somebody who’s going to promote you one thing goes to instantly land you within the spam folder, proper? So typically even only a fast LinkedIn connection after which a two-line message that’s very pleasant and open and never overly salesy is the most effective technique for sure leaders that we’re making an attempt to have interaction with. So we discovered that to work notably effectively for our viewers specifically, and I believe when Mm-hmm that they use. So it’s like I’m signing up for Linear, however I simply don’t.
Sophie Buonassisi: 51:08
I don’t know if I could make this occur.
Cristina Cordova: 51:11
And it’s like effectively, I can assist you, proper, I can assist you construct a case. Proper, I can assist you attempt to discover the individuals in your group to speak to about making this determination. I can really join you with 5 different individuals who’ve signed up for Linear within the final month out of your group and perhaps you’ll be able to band collectively and we are able to make this occur, proper. So coming throughout in that method, I believe, is actually essential, particularly while you’re promoting to a corporation in a really broad method, proper, as a result of we’re rolling out to each engineer, pm, designer inside a whole group, proper. So it’s essential that you just construct these advocates in a variety of other ways, and you recognize there are a variety of completely different individuals who can assist you within the journey.
Cristina Cordova: 51:57
There are individuals who we discuss to on the gross sales facet. One among my indicators of is the gross sales workforce doing a great job is what number of screenshots are they getting from their very own prospects, like inside Slack conversations about linear, the place somebody can be like oh, like, what about this? And another person can be like no, we’ve got to make use of Linear and right here’s the explanation why. After which another person will screenshot that and ship it to one in every of our salespeople, like that’s an indication that you’ve got constructed belief with individuals and that they really need to have interaction with you and that you’re serving to them. So these are the indicators for me that our movement is working effectively and that persons are trusting the salespeople that we’ve got on our workforce and that it’s not simply this transactional order kind RFP filling kind of position.
Sophie Buonassisi: 52:46
Yeah, I like the best way you simply boil it down into. You will have a ache. I remedy your ache Easy. And the place do you discover your biggest inspiration? I’m curious if there’s any books which have formed the best way that you just suppose or lead over time or different assets even.
Cristina Cordova: 53:02
Good query, I actually like a variety of podcasts and interviews with sure individuals on the market. However when it comes to assets, I’ve discovered myself sort of going again to some instances. Claire Hughes-Johnson, who was Stripe’s COO and now a company advisor, wrote a ebook known as Scaling Folks and it was quite a bit about organizational progress like what are we doing to construct the corporate as we’re additionally making an attempt to develop the enterprise, and he or she wrote a very unbelievable ebook about a variety of the issues that we did at Stripe, a few of which I noticed firsthand. So I do know these classes, however a variety of them I didn’t, they usually had been behind the scenes or simply the pondering behind it, as a result of, additionally, what we did at Stripe at a thousand individuals doesn’t essentially apply to linear at 100 individuals. So these are the sorts of issues that I believe I have a tendency to return to and be like what was that chapter of that ebook? As a result of I believe I’ve hit that time in our journey the place one thing right here wants to alter. So simply sort of understanding the psychological fashions I believe had been actually useful. After which my different factor that I are likely to do actually typically but it surely’s not a useful resource however one thing that I believe anybody can do is use different people who find themselves in your position or roles the place you’re coming on top of things in them.
Cristina Cordova: 54:22
So, for instance, once I joined Linear, we had leaders in some features and didn’t have leaders in different features, so I used to be operating these features immediately. One perform I nonetheless run on to today is advertising and marketing. So I’ve a number of advertising and marketing leaders that I’ve simply gotten to know at different corporations, understanding that proper now I don’t suppose it’s the appropriate time for us to rent a pacesetter, so perhaps these individuals can be our future leaders. You by no means know. However on the identical time there’s quite a bit that I can study from them as I’m coming on top of things, like with my advertising and marketing chief hat on in a method, and that’s actually essential in order that I can Quite a lot of these. I’ve been operating by means of these individuals. I did a name with Amanda Clayha, who was the chief industrial officer at Figma, and on the time Linear had not a lick of swag like nothing, with our brand printed on it and stuff like that, and he or she was identical to you don’t have swag it’s a must to have swag.
Cristina Cordova: 55:33
In case you go to config figma’s annual convention, like the largest line in the complete convention is for swag. Like individuals stay for it, persons are going to evangelize you and put on this stuff and you recognize prefer it’s going to go a lot additional than you suppose. And so it was one in every of my issues the place I used to be like perhaps I ought to experiment with this and see if I can get individuals to agree to do that in a restricted method, simply because she felt so strongly about it. Yeah, yeah, we did. What did you get?
Cristina Cordova: 56:01
So we, so my experiment was we had been developing on Linear’s sixth anniversary of the corporate, so we created what I name these linear provide kits, which was mainly a Toyo metal toolbox and a bunch of issues like very nice, like pocket book patches that you would iron on to issues, cool Pens, so identical to the very best high quality merchandise in each class. Yeah, and linked it to this concept of like that is your toolbox and these, as an expert, are your instruments, successfully that sort of go into the toolbox. After which we despatched that to our 200 earliest paying prospects and had a very nice word alongside it and other people liked it and tweeted it and like a variety of issues and since we had so many posts about it, I believe individuals on our workforce had been like oh, individuals actually like swag you recognize, and I’m like yeah, I believe should you do it in a really top quality method and in a really focused method, that could possibly be our type, our model of doing this.
Cristina Cordova: 57:05
We don’t must have a closet with 8 million t-shirts in there that anybody can entry, yeah, yeah. So simply discover the factor that works rather well for you and your organization. So I believe, simply determining, like you recognize, once more, different corporations are going to do issues in a different way. If I had recommended that we launch a web based retailer the place individuals might purchase something for many, our founders can be like okay, Christina you’re out of right here.
Cristina Cordova: 57:29
However, you recognize, doing one thing that felt very nice and customized and considerate to a restricted variety of customers felt actually good. And so I believe it’s at all times like how might I take this recommendation and the way does it apply to Linear? Proper, however simply getting on a few of these cellphone calls with individuals that you just really feel like did one thing actually nice, had a very unbelievable expertise, are doing one thing actually nice, and simply utilizing them as a sounding board when you’ve gotten an thought or don’t know the best way to do one thing. I’ve somewhat COO iMessage group with a number of individuals Excellent, good, um, and so when it’s like you recognize you’re speaking about like hey, what’s comp like for this position, you recognize, or issues like that which can be developing now and again, or there’s like small little questions, such as you simply have a gaggle to sort of ask them to and it’s actually useful, yeah so construct, construct your networks, construct your communities, sure, and the place can individuals discover you in the event that they need to comply with alongside your journey or get oh, let’s see.
Cristina Cordova: 58:28
let’s see, I’m fairly energetic on Twitter, or X, oh God, no matter individuals name it today. My deal with is CJC. After which, yeah, I’m fairly energetic on LinkedIn. I’m going to a variety of occasions in San Francisco, so that you may discover me there too.
Sophie Buonassisi: 58:42
However yeah, I do know you’re talking at a pair developing too, so I’m positive individuals can comply with alongside a few of your talking engagements additionally podcasts, and we’ll drop your socials within the present notes too for everybody. Superior, thanks. Superior. This has been unbelievable, christina, thanks for becoming a member of us and thanks for sharing your story. Yeah, thanks for having me. You guess it’s been a variety of enjoyable.
